What specific statements did Candace Owens make on her November 13, 2025 podcast episode about TPUSA?
Executive summary
Candace Owens used the November 13, 2025 episode of her Candace podcast to accuse Turning Point USA (TPUSA) leaders of spreading what she called ten “verifiable lies” about the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s September 10, 2025 shooting and to outline a string of allegations about the organization’s conduct, finances and public statements [1] [2] [3]. She also mocked a cease-and-desist letter she said TPUSA sent her, framed the letter as “lawfare,” and urged scrutiny of TPUSA’s internal actions while asserting she was “very close” to the truth [4] [5] [1].
1. She compiled and aired “ten verifiable lies” she attributes to TPUSA
On the November 13 episode Owens announced she had compiled what she described as ten “verifiable lies” that TPUSA and figures associated with it had told after Charlie Kirk’s killing, and she proceeded to name and attribute several specific items on that list during the show [1] [2] [3]. Reporting summarizes that Owens assigned particular alleged falsehoods to named people — for example she accused Pastor Rob McCoy of telling one of those lies and linked other alleged misstatements to Alex Clark and Andrew Kolvet — and she criticized TPUSA’s public narrative about Kirk’s personal faith and about how certain employees behaved after the shooting [2] [3].
2. Specific allegations cited on the episode: camera removal, “hero” label, and faith framing
Owens singled out at least three concrete points: she said TPUSA suggested an audio-visual staffer, Terryl Farnsworth, removed cameras “at the direction of police,” which she called a lie; she objected to TPUSA calling Mikey McCoy a “hero,” arguing the label was unfair because he did not call 911 immediately; and she disputed TPUSA’s portrayal of Charlie Kirk as a committed evangelical—saying that description (framed as Kirk merely appreciating “Catholic architecture”) was misleading and traceable to Clark and Kolvet in TPUSA circles [2] [1].
3. Financial impropriety, internal audit claims, and sensational connections
Beyond chronological disputes, Owens used the episode to suggest TPUSA had engaged in financial impropriety and to recount reporting she said showed an “aggressive internal DOGE-type audit” Kirk had ordered a week before his death — a detail she presented as part of a broader pattern of organizational problematics [4]. Podcast episode notes and other coverage also indicate she raised allegations ranging from a donation lawsuit tied to a 95‑year‑old’s will to hints of a “trafficking scandal” and even a bizarre claimed tie between a TPUSA advisor and the Church of Satan, all topics she referenced on the show’s agenda [6] [7].
4. Mocking TPUSA’s legal letter and framing the organization’s pushback as “lawfare”
Owens publicly mocked the cease-and-desist letter she said she had received from TPUSA, deriding it on-air as an attempt at “lawfare” to silence her and satirically offering to direct listeners to “give all your money to Turning Point USA” while lampooning the group’s ability to use legal and financial resources to defend itself [4] [5]. Coverage records that she framed TPUSA’s objection as alleging her investigation and public comments were disparaging and possibly in breach of prior contracts, which TPUSA cited in its legal response [5].
5. Tone, intent and claims of being “close” to the truth — and TPUSA’s countervailing posture
Owens told listeners she would continue pursuing the story because she believed she was getting “very close” to the real truth and encouraged donors to demand refunds while promising further revelations, positioning her commentary as investigative rather than merely opinion [1] [3]. At the same time, reporting notes that TPUSA has asserted concerns about disparaging statements and potential contract violations in response to Owens’ public assertions — an explicit counterpoint that frames the dispute as both reputational and legal [5].
6. What reporting does not provide and how to interpret these claims
Available summaries and episode notes describe the claims Owens made and the targets she named, but none of the cited sources provides a full verbatim transcript of the November 13 episode in this dataset, so precise wording, context and any caveats she gave cannot be independently corroborated here; readers should treat summaries as representations of her claims rather than documentary proof of each factual allegation [6] [7]. Media accounts also show differing frames — Owens’ comments presented as an investigation into wrongdoing versus TPUSA’s framing of her remarks as potentially defamatory or contract‑breaching — making independent verification of specific allegations necessary before accepting them as established fact [5] [3].